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	<title>Comments on: How To Speed Up Lacrosse: Stop Crosschecking</title>
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		<title>By: Craig Conover</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17560</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Conover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know it is technically a cross-check, but a &quot;real&quot; cross-check should be defined as striking a blow with the area of the cross between the hands. Slight nudges and equal pressure should be allowed otherwise, very average or smaller players have no defense against a large middie even if that middies has no dodging skills. It&#039;s an equalizer. 

Calling every little nudge or brief hold (by brief, I mean less than a second) slows the game down and frustrates players and coaches.

Refs just need to keep things from getting out of control, not controlling every little thing.

I just don&#039;t want the game to continue to favor the offense like pro basketball has done by making zone defense illegal. The game is perfect and only subtle changes may be needed here and there, but this is the game and it&#039;s been great forever - let&#039;s preserve that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it is technically a cross-check, but a &#8220;real&#8221; cross-check should be defined as striking a blow with the area of the cross between the hands. Slight nudges and equal pressure should be allowed otherwise, very average or smaller players have no defense against a large middie even if that middies has no dodging skills. It&#8217;s an equalizer. </p>
<p>Calling every little nudge or brief hold (by brief, I mean less than a second) slows the game down and frustrates players and coaches.</p>
<p>Refs just need to keep things from getting out of control, not controlling every little thing.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t want the game to continue to favor the offense like pro basketball has done by making zone defense illegal. The game is perfect and only subtle changes may be needed here and there, but this is the game and it&#8217;s been great forever &#8211; let&#8217;s preserve that.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie Del Genio</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17557</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddie Del Genio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its called a jam, its how you play the game get over it. without this d middies would get burned left and right]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its called a jam, its how you play the game get over it. without this d middies would get burned left and right</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Foster</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17395</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 05:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is correct. It is also illegal to HOLD with the area of the handle between the hands. That is what I would have called on the checks in the video - a 30 sec technical hold. I would not have called the PF cross check. If this is to be enforced more closely, most CCs would likely be technical foul holds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is correct. It is also illegal to HOLD with the area of the handle between the hands. That is what I would have called on the checks in the video &#8211; a 30 sec technical hold. I would not have called the PF cross check. If this is to be enforced more closely, most CCs would likely be technical foul holds.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Murphy</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17329</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Right on.  Ultimately, cross checking is a SYMPTOM not the ILLNESS.  Why don&#039;t players poke check anymore?  Against any relatively decent player with a pinched stick, it does NOTHING.  A big reason why box players don&#039;t poke check to take the ball away is that box players are often better at shielding their hands and stick with their body.  There&#039;s nothing to poke at as the guy is dodging.  So again, it&#039;s a symptom, not the illness.

The only hopeful outcome in terms of slowing or deterring a dodger with a poke check is to poke him in the stomach and knock the wind out of him or maybe get a piece of wrist.  In either case, the result is still not a takeaway, just causing enough physical hurt to slow the guy down (gee, the same as a cross check). 
Offset heads, pinched sticks, waxy mesh, crackdowns on big hits to prevent concussions... rules have evolved to make defense increasingly more difficult.  Now we want to re-emphasize hands together to give defenders less stability and leverage when hitting?  Just like in women&#039;s lacrosse, any rule changes or points-of-emphasis we discuss should be with an eye toward both promoting finesse over physical play that could potentially injure and not continuing to make life increasingly difficult for just the defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Right on.  Ultimately, cross checking is a SYMPTOM not the ILLNESS.  Why don&#8217;t players poke check anymore?  Against any relatively decent player with a pinched stick, it does NOTHING.  A big reason why box players don&#8217;t poke check to take the ball away is that box players are often better at shielding their hands and stick with their body.  There&#8217;s nothing to poke at as the guy is dodging.  So again, it&#8217;s a symptom, not the illness.</p>
<p>The only hopeful outcome in terms of slowing or deterring a dodger with a poke check is to poke him in the stomach and knock the wind out of him or maybe get a piece of wrist.  In either case, the result is still not a takeaway, just causing enough physical hurt to slow the guy down (gee, the same as a cross check). <br />
Offset heads, pinched sticks, waxy mesh, crackdowns on big hits to prevent concussions&#8230; rules have evolved to make defense increasingly more difficult.  Now we want to re-emphasize hands together to give defenders less stability and leverage when hitting?  Just like in women&#8217;s lacrosse, any rule changes or points-of-emphasis we discuss should be with an eye toward both promoting finesse over physical play that could potentially injure and not continuing to make life increasingly difficult for just the defense.</p>
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		<title>By: bh_bro_17</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17239</link>
		<dc:creator>bh_bro_17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wreck people on the grid!
deuces]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wreck people on the grid!<br />
deuces</p>
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		<title>By: bh_bro_17</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17237</link>
		<dc:creator>bh_bro_17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mmmm I&#039;m sorry but I also have to disagree, but this time with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmmm I&#8217;m sorry but I also have to disagree, but this time with you.</p>
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		<title>By: bh_bro_17</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17238</link>
		<dc:creator>bh_bro_17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[chill]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chill</p>
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		<title>By: Swank Lax</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17218</link>
		<dc:creator>Swank Lax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, the shot would come sooner in the possession, but that&#039;s only because you couldn&#039;t defend with the same effectiveness that you do now. You&#039;re still going to have substitutions of specialists, which means waiting 30-60 seconds for offensive players to get on. I&#039;m tired of watching substitutions. Here&#039;s a good rule change for you: only allow on the fly substitutions to occur during the 30 second count during a clear. Once you touch the ball into the box and the count ends, teams can no longer sub. That actually addresses a problem that slows down the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, the shot would come sooner in the possession, but that&#8217;s only because you couldn&#8217;t defend with the same effectiveness that you do now. You&#8217;re still going to have substitutions of specialists, which means waiting 30-60 seconds for offensive players to get on. I&#8217;m tired of watching substitutions. Here&#8217;s a good rule change for you: only allow on the fly substitutions to occur during the 30 second count during a clear. Once you touch the ball into the box and the count ends, teams can no longer sub. That actually addresses a problem that slows down the game.</p>
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		<title>By: wazzu24</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17217</link>
		<dc:creator>wazzu24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going to have to slightly disagree. I play defensive mid and think there is a big difference between what we do, trying to just simply push you down the alley, than a crease or a coma slide coming to take your head off with a cross check. Yes, by the letter of the law both are equally legally, but if a cop writes lots of speeding tickets to going 3 miles over the speed limit and then gives a ticket for the same amount to a go going 45 miles over, that is a pretty bad cop. No ref can call all the cross checking or even most of it, it&#039;s about controlling the game and having context. Who wants to watch a game with half the time spent on man up/man down? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to have to slightly disagree. I play defensive mid and think there is a big difference between what we do, trying to just simply push you down the alley, than a crease or a coma slide coming to take your head off with a cross check. Yes, by the letter of the law both are equally legally, but if a cop writes lots of speeding tickets to going 3 miles over the speed limit and then gives a ticket for the same amount to a go going 45 miles over, that is a pretty bad cop. No ref can call all the cross checking or even most of it, it&#8217;s about controlling the game and having context. Who wants to watch a game with half the time spent on man up/man down? </p>
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		<title>By: connorwilson</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17215</link>
		<dc:creator>connorwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[man, these are some super solid points.

And you&#039;re right, it wouldn&#039;t speed up the game by itself.  But I do believe that it would allow fast teams to play fast, meaning a good shot could come much earlier in the possession than will all the crosschecking we see now.

And if someone used your approach to non-crosschecking defense, a team would really only have to develop good passing skills and the ability to cut and score... but isn&#039;t that a great aspect of the game?  I&#039;d take less dodge, move it around again, dodge, repeat and more of that any day.

It doesn&#039;t stop it from happening, but it opens the door for fast teams to play fast if they want to.  And I&#039;m all for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, these are some super solid points.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right, it wouldn&#8217;t speed up the game by itself.  But I do believe that it would allow fast teams to play fast, meaning a good shot could come much earlier in the possession than will all the crosschecking we see now.</p>
<p>And if someone used your approach to non-crosschecking defense, a team would really only have to develop good passing skills and the ability to cut and score&#8230; but isn&#8217;t that a great aspect of the game?  I&#8217;d take less dodge, move it around again, dodge, repeat and more of that any day.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t stop it from happening, but it opens the door for fast teams to play fast if they want to.  And I&#8217;m all for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Swank Lax</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17213</link>
		<dc:creator>Swank Lax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is an unenforceable change because of how dramatic the change would be and the fact that it would render defenders, even longpoles, incapable of denying offensive players from running where they want to unless they take the ball away. What you call a crosscheck is not a technique limited to SSDM&#039;s and is used by poles to deny position to attackmen.

The other problem is this: will it actually speed up the game? If by speed up the game you mean increase scoring, then yes. Lacrosse will resemble the NBA after they instuted rules outlawing handchecking in that players will become close to unguardable on the perimeter. But does this really speed up the game? Will it stop the subbing of specialists every possession? Obviously not. Does it do anything to curtail stalling? It actually makes it easier for offenses to stall because it takes away an effective defensive tool. Will it make it easier/force the defense to go out and create turnovers? NO! Every team will pack it in and slide super early because you can&#039;t go out and pressure guys if you can&#039;t physically deny them from getting to a position that forces you to slide. You would have to assume you are going to need to slide on every dodge, which means the defense would have to be tight in order to support the slide and recover the man who was on ball. Finally, can a poke check from a SSDM actually be a defensive tool? Again, no. It will have virtually no ability to slow down a dodger, and represents a minimal chance of forcing a turnover. Here&#039;s how I&#039;d coach SSDM&#039;s in a non-crosschecking environment: I&#039;d have them incredibly overplay their guy to one hand, to the point that it guarantees that that player will get a step on them. They&#039;d just trail the guy down the lane (slide is coming anyways) and try to catch the guy trailing his stick. If he doesn&#039;t, so what? Slide comes, he recovers inside and the defense lives to fight another day. Bottom line is that banning crosschecking does nothing to actually speed up the game and allows the things that actually slow the game down to persist, hidden behind a veil of increased scoring, not a faster pace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an unenforceable change because of how dramatic the change would be and the fact that it would render defenders, even longpoles, incapable of denying offensive players from running where they want to unless they take the ball away. What you call a crosscheck is not a technique limited to SSDM&#8217;s and is used by poles to deny position to attackmen.</p>
<p>The other problem is this: will it actually speed up the game? If by speed up the game you mean increase scoring, then yes. Lacrosse will resemble the NBA after they instuted rules outlawing handchecking in that players will become close to unguardable on the perimeter. But does this really speed up the game? Will it stop the subbing of specialists every possession? Obviously not. Does it do anything to curtail stalling? It actually makes it easier for offenses to stall because it takes away an effective defensive tool. Will it make it easier/force the defense to go out and create turnovers? NO! Every team will pack it in and slide super early because you can&#8217;t go out and pressure guys if you can&#8217;t physically deny them from getting to a position that forces you to slide. You would have to assume you are going to need to slide on every dodge, which means the defense would have to be tight in order to support the slide and recover the man who was on ball. Finally, can a poke check from a SSDM actually be a defensive tool? Again, no. It will have virtually no ability to slow down a dodger, and represents a minimal chance of forcing a turnover. Here&#8217;s how I&#8217;d coach SSDM&#8217;s in a non-crosschecking environment: I&#8217;d have them incredibly overplay their guy to one hand, to the point that it guarantees that that player will get a step on them. They&#8217;d just trail the guy down the lane (slide is coming anyways) and try to catch the guy trailing his stick. If he doesn&#8217;t, so what? Slide comes, he recovers inside and the defense lives to fight another day. Bottom line is that banning crosschecking does nothing to actually speed up the game and allows the things that actually slow the game down to persist, hidden behind a veil of increased scoring, not a faster pace.</p>
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		<title>By: P_Jones</title>
		<link>http://laxallstars.com/how-to-speed-up-lacrosse-stop-crosschecking/#comment-17212</link>
		<dc:creator>P_Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other thing I just realized is that this may be part of the evolution of the game. When the college game is going to great lengths to bring in Box players, you are going to see more and more cross-checks, because they are legal in box.
For the same reason, you may begin to start to see more moving picks, like professional basketball. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other thing I just realized is that this may be part of the evolution of the game. When the college game is going to great lengths to bring in Box players, you are going to see more and more cross-checks, because they are legal in box.<br />
For the same reason, you may begin to start to see more moving picks, like professional basketball. </p>
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		<title>By: P_Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>P_Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The poke to the cuff is also what I had to do to eliminate or at least cut down on the number of slap checks, especially as refs started to call the slash on them. I equated the slap check to &#039;opening a gate&#039; for the offensive player every time they wound up to slap.
I also admit that the poke to the glove could wind up in the chest if they were playing someone straight up, so your point is well taken...and I had one of my poles do just that this past weekend. The second time the same kid tried the same move on my defender, he actually poked the stick right out of the kid&#039;s hand]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poke to the cuff is also what I had to do to eliminate or at least cut down on the number of slap checks, especially as refs started to call the slash on them. I equated the slap check to &#8216;opening a gate&#8217; for the offensive player every time they wound up to slap.<br />
I also admit that the poke to the glove could wind up in the chest if they were playing someone straight up, so your point is well taken&#8230;and I had one of my poles do just that this past weekend. The second time the same kid tried the same move on my defender, he actually poked the stick right out of the kid&#8217;s hand</p>
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		<title>By: connorwilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>connorwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[with a pole I&#039;m more of a cuff guy, and with you for the most part! 
 
Slightly different approaches, and yours is probably much more appropriate for your age group, as opposed to the D1 guys I&#039;m talking about!

I&#039;m certainly not advocating for intent to injure either.  Just good, hard lacrosse!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with a pole I&#8217;m more of a cuff guy, and with you for the most part! <br />
 <br />
Slightly different approaches, and yours is probably much more appropriate for your age group, as opposed to the D1 guys I&#8217;m talking about!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly not advocating for intent to injure either.  Just good, hard lacrosse!</p>
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		<title>By: connorwilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>connorwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[part of me agrees with you 100%. great response comment!

For me it&#039;s not about losing toughness or babying players.  It&#039;s just about being able to dodge.  But maybe the issue is that players aren&#039;t good enough at that in general and they should just be able to deal with a good crosscheck.  Then again, any sort of crosschecking IS technically illegal, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>part of me agrees with you 100%. great response comment!</p>
<p>For me it&#8217;s not about losing toughness or babying players.  It&#8217;s just about being able to dodge.  But maybe the issue is that players aren&#8217;t good enough at that in general and they should just be able to deal with a good crosscheck.  Then again, any sort of crosschecking IS technically illegal, right?</p>
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