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		<title>By: Justin Estrada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Estrada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 07:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not going to belabor the point that these guys have all made. In the future kids may start choosing their school based on the MCLA status of the club lacrosse team, but it&#039;s just not happening now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not going to belabor the point that these guys have all made. In the future kids may start choosing their school based on the MCLA status of the club lacrosse team, but it&#39;s just not happening now.</p>
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		<title>By: ReliantxRuckus</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReliantxRuckus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 21:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In your case against Utah Valley University...I think lacrosse had little to do with their choice to attend UVU. I&#039;m Mormon so I&#039;m not saying this out of complete ignorance, but id think location of the school as well as the low cost of tuition influenced most of their decision. The fact that they had lacrosse might have been merely a bonus. Look at the demographic appeal for a Mormon there... Despite what MCLA says UVUs enrollment is, I was told by a councilor there that it was upwards of 35,000 now and the 2nd most enrolled school in the state, behind U of U. Down the road, less than 10 miles actually, is BYU. Enrollment there is in the 30,000s as well. Have you been to Provo/Orem? It’s infested with college students. Within a 10 mile radius there are 60,000 some college students. That appeals to me. Now, UVU is breaking away from the image that it once used to be the school where all the Mormons that weren’t intelligent enough to go to BYU go. But I&#039;d say it’s still a true stereotype.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your case against Utah Valley University&#8230;I think lacrosse had little to do with their choice to attend UVU. I&#39;m Mormon so I&#39;m not saying this out of complete ignorance, but id think location of the school as well as the low cost of tuition influenced most of their decision. The fact that they had lacrosse might have been merely a bonus. Look at the demographic appeal for a Mormon there&#8230; Despite what MCLA says UVUs enrollment is, I was told by a councilor there that it was upwards of 35,000 now and the 2nd most enrolled school in the state, behind U of U. Down the road, less than 10 miles actually, is BYU. Enrollment there is in the 30,000s as well. Have you been to Provo/Orem? It’s infested with college students. Within a 10 mile radius there are 60,000 some college students. That appeals to me. Now, UVU is breaking away from the image that it once used to be the school where all the Mormons that weren’t intelligent enough to go to BYU go. But I&#39;d say it’s still a true stereotype.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Brunelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Brunelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[COMMENT FROM JEFF SOBEY (via Facebook): &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Great conversation. One that may, as Shrek says, be like an onion; layered.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The initial thought I have is your premise seems to be, for the most part, based on the assumption that lax is a primary reason a student chooses a school.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll take my state, Oregon, for my response. You say that the talent is being split up by the smaller schools, let&#039;s ... See Moretake Willamette and U of O only here to make my point simple.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;U of O has a great law program, but Willamette is quite a bit better. (Ducks, save the hate; I am just trying to make a point here). Our fictitious student, Earl, has aimed to be a judge, perhaps a senator someday. He also happened to lead his high school to two straight championships, commonly thought of as one of the top two goalies in the state, and would love to continue to play in college.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Willamette&#039;s program is not threatening to go to Denver anytime soon, but they are a decent D2 program. U of O is a D1 threat year in and year out. Earl knows he will not be the third MLL player drafted from MCLA, but does believe in his dream to sit on a Federal Bench.&lt;br&gt;What would you advise Earl to do?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I contend the schools that can support a program should be supported by the lax community. Perhaps there needs to be additional levels added.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Until scholarships are given here on the left coast, let the clubs live and give the kids a chance to play.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Think of the possibilities. Some kid who played for Western Washington University may just start a youth program somewhere in a town he settled down in that had no program.&lt;br&gt;The game grows, and it&#039;s beautiful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COMMENT FROM JEFF SOBEY (via Facebook): </p>
<p>Great conversation. One that may, as Shrek says, be like an onion; layered.</p>
<p>The initial thought I have is your premise seems to be, for the most part, based on the assumption that lax is a primary reason a student chooses a school.</p>
<p>I&#39;ll take my state, Oregon, for my response. You say that the talent is being split up by the smaller schools, let&#39;s &#8230; See Moretake Willamette and U of O only here to make my point simple.</p>
<p>U of O has a great law program, but Willamette is quite a bit better. (Ducks, save the hate; I am just trying to make a point here). Our fictitious student, Earl, has aimed to be a judge, perhaps a senator someday. He also happened to lead his high school to two straight championships, commonly thought of as one of the top two goalies in the state, and would love to continue to play in college.</p>
<p>Willamette&#39;s program is not threatening to go to Denver anytime soon, but they are a decent D2 program. U of O is a D1 threat year in and year out. Earl knows he will not be the third MLL player drafted from MCLA, but does believe in his dream to sit on a Federal Bench.<br />What would you advise Earl to do?</p>
<p>I contend the schools that can support a program should be supported by the lax community. Perhaps there needs to be additional levels added.</p>
<p>Until scholarships are given here on the left coast, let the clubs live and give the kids a chance to play.</p>
<p>Think of the possibilities. Some kid who played for Western Washington University may just start a youth program somewhere in a town he settled down in that had no program.<br />The game grows, and it&#39;s beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[America is about freedom and freedom means going to school wherever you want and playing collegiate lacrosse too. I proudly made my college decision on non-lacrosse grounds, and I earned all conference on a 1-10 team. Does any MCLA team outside of the top ten even actually recruit? Oregon, ASU, Colorado, UCSB, Cal, FSU, and other similar big schools get recruits because their recruits probably planned to go there since age 12. Most of those teams cut a lot of players too. Why don&#039;t those players transfer to other programs? Oh, because they didn&#039;t decide to matriculate to a college based on its lacrosse program alone. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If anything, Title IX is slowing NCAA lacrosse growth and I personally think the days of $2000 dues should be numbered. As someone who filled out a FAFSA, I think it&#039;s weird that people spend that much on lacrosse every year. Do they know how much college loans suck? Virtual varsity has make-believe in the title. I can&#039;t think of a single MCLA program transitioning to DI lacrosse, but that should be the goal, even if it is farfetched. You criticize the University of Utah for not measuring up to BYU, while they still posted a 10-4 record, which is a healthy winning percentage. &quot;Growing up&quot; isn&#039;t called club lacrosse and if the awkward financial gap building between lacrosse and other club sports that aren&#039;t anywhere near as expensive keeps growing, we&#039;re only going to see more top coaches get mysteriously fired. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;412 pointed out this week that MCLA figureheads are free to do and say what they want to, and I think that programs with administrative power, a good alumni base for fundraising, and a no-nonsense appeal to recruits in the MCLA like to complain about other programs keeping them down. Sure, concentrating the limited lacrosse resources of the American West into a few great programs would be fun for a few coaches, but I don&#039;t think it would benefit very many players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is about freedom and freedom means going to school wherever you want and playing collegiate lacrosse too. I proudly made my college decision on non-lacrosse grounds, and I earned all conference on a 1-10 team. Does any MCLA team outside of the top ten even actually recruit? Oregon, ASU, Colorado, UCSB, Cal, FSU, and other similar big schools get recruits because their recruits probably planned to go there since age 12. Most of those teams cut a lot of players too. Why don&#39;t those players transfer to other programs? Oh, because they didn&#39;t decide to matriculate to a college based on its lacrosse program alone. </p>
<p>If anything, Title IX is slowing NCAA lacrosse growth and I personally think the days of $2000 dues should be numbered. As someone who filled out a FAFSA, I think it&#39;s weird that people spend that much on lacrosse every year. Do they know how much college loans suck? Virtual varsity has make-believe in the title. I can&#39;t think of a single MCLA program transitioning to DI lacrosse, but that should be the goal, even if it is farfetched. You criticize the University of Utah for not measuring up to BYU, while they still posted a 10-4 record, which is a healthy winning percentage. &#8220;Growing up&#8221; isn&#39;t called club lacrosse and if the awkward financial gap building between lacrosse and other club sports that aren&#39;t anywhere near as expensive keeps growing, we&#39;re only going to see more top coaches get mysteriously fired. </p>
<p>412 pointed out this week that MCLA figureheads are free to do and say what they want to, and I think that programs with administrative power, a good alumni base for fundraising, and a no-nonsense appeal to recruits in the MCLA like to complain about other programs keeping them down. Sure, concentrating the limited lacrosse resources of the American West into a few great programs would be fun for a few coaches, but I don&#39;t think it would benefit very many players.</p>
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